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		<title>By: At Long Last, Link Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>At Long Last, Link Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] she&#8217;s always wanted to create, Faith Barista. She credited two posts at Collective Inkwell (The Reality of the Tortured Writer and  The Zen of New Ideas) with helping strengthen her convictions to follow her heart. We have [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Randi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My teen and early adult years (until I decided to stop being shy) were dark with depression. Although I loved to write, I only *could* write when I was my most despondent. My poetry then, was my best.

Once I decided to stop being shy, I felt more full of light and love, and writing became less tortuous.  It was a sweet revelation to discover that I could now write anytime, anywhere, and about anything, not just my angst. Writing since then has been a joy for me, and as I mentioned in Sean&#039;s post, most times my fingertips fly as my editing brain tries to keep up.  

I loved reading the opposing viewpoints on this topic. I hope to see more of this point/counterpoint style of writing.  You both have impressive, though unique, ways of expressing your views. As has been said here before, you complement each other nicely.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Randi’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://foreignquang.blogspot.com/2009/06/sunday-serenity-6-28-09.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sunday Serenity               6-28-09&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My teen and early adult years (until I decided to stop being shy) were dark with depression. Although I loved to write, I only *could* write when I was my most despondent. My poetry then, was my best.</p>
<p>Once I decided to stop being shy, I felt more full of light and love, and writing became less tortuous.  It was a sweet revelation to discover that I could now write anytime, anywhere, and about anything, not just my angst. Writing since then has been a joy for me, and as I mentioned in Sean&#8217;s post, most times my fingertips fly as my editing brain tries to keep up.  </p>
<p>I loved reading the opposing viewpoints on this topic. I hope to see more of this point/counterpoint style of writing.  You both have impressive, though unique, ways of expressing your views. As has been said here before, you complement each other nicely.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Randi’s last blog post..<a href="http://foreignquang.blogspot.com/2009/06/sunday-serenity-6-28-09.html" rel="nofollow">Sunday Serenity               6-28-09</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Kool Aid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kool Aid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love that Sean farts sunshine.  I think that&#039;s awesome!

I think everyone has to find their inspiration and environment for working.  Some of us fart sunshine, and some of us crave seclusion, wearing black and listening to emo.  What I found interesting is your comment, &quot;Instead, I think that art attracts people who are antisocial, never quite fit in and feel a need to express themselves via other avenues.&quot;  When I was in art school, there was a definite trend of anti-social, non-conforming attitude.  So much so, we joked that we were all conforming non-conformists (some of our &quot;fellow&quot; artists didn&#039;t think it was funny).  There were definitely those of us that didn&#039;t fit in to &quot;normal&quot; society, but who wants to be &quot;normal&quot;?  Normal is boring.  

If you find that being in seclusion and letting that black mental cloud descend upon you to write is what you need, then by all means, let it happen.  Your writing, in my opinion, doesn&#039;t come across as tortured, it seems to flow across the screen without nary a hiccup.  It works for you.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kool Aid’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://butterfliesinmyhand.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/bagging-groceries-or-how-not-to-bruise-my-bananas/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bagging groceries, or how not to bruise my bananas&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love that Sean farts sunshine.  I think that&#8217;s awesome!</p>
<p>I think everyone has to find their inspiration and environment for working.  Some of us fart sunshine, and some of us crave seclusion, wearing black and listening to emo.  What I found interesting is your comment, &#8220;Instead, I think that art attracts people who are antisocial, never quite fit in and feel a need to express themselves via other avenues.&#8221;  When I was in art school, there was a definite trend of anti-social, non-conforming attitude.  So much so, we joked that we were all conforming non-conformists (some of our &#8220;fellow&#8221; artists didn&#8217;t think it was funny).  There were definitely those of us that didn&#8217;t fit in to &#8220;normal&#8221; society, but who wants to be &#8220;normal&#8221;?  Normal is boring.  </p>
<p>If you find that being in seclusion and letting that black mental cloud descend upon you to write is what you need, then by all means, let it happen.  Your writing, in my opinion, doesn&#8217;t come across as tortured, it seems to flow across the screen without nary a hiccup.  It works for you.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Kool Aid’s last blog post..<a href="http://butterfliesinmyhand.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/bagging-groceries-or-how-not-to-bruise-my-bananas/" rel="nofollow">Bagging groceries, or how not to bruise my bananas</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent discussion. I&#039;m still not sure where I fit it. The actual writing comes fairly easy although I&#039;m sure there are dozens of people who might suggest it&#039;s because of my low standards. Once I&#039;m in the zone, it all just sort of oozes out.

If there is any torture, it&#039;s not having the time to get in that zone. Having small children and a house to run means that during the hours I&#039;m freshest I can&#039;t write. If I wait until the evening, my brain is like sludge and it does take more effort, although it&#039;s not what I&#039;d call torture, just fatigue. 

I think you&#039;re right that writing and other art does seem to attract those that are comfortable on the outposts of life. Not necessarily anti-social, but people who can and want to step back and see things for how they are.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Tracy’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/IHateMyMessageBoard/~3/ak_z9wxGR88/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I am so ready for a 3 day weekend&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent discussion. I&#8217;m still not sure where I fit it. The actual writing comes fairly easy although I&#8217;m sure there are dozens of people who might suggest it&#8217;s because of my low standards. Once I&#8217;m in the zone, it all just sort of oozes out.</p>
<p>If there is any torture, it&#8217;s not having the time to get in that zone. Having small children and a house to run means that during the hours I&#8217;m freshest I can&#8217;t write. If I wait until the evening, my brain is like sludge and it does take more effort, although it&#8217;s not what I&#8217;d call torture, just fatigue. </p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right that writing and other art does seem to attract those that are comfortable on the outposts of life. Not necessarily anti-social, but people who can and want to step back and see things for how they are.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Tracy’s last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/IHateMyMessageBoard/~3/ak_z9wxGR88/" rel="nofollow">I am so ready for a 3 day weekend</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Trina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admit to farting sunshine like Sean, and was really surprised to read about the personal side of writing for you. Surprised until I read the part of how you are seeking to strengthen relationships with people you may never meet... I would say you excel at that. 
You and Sean are definitely ying and yang.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit to farting sunshine like Sean, and was really surprised to read about the personal side of writing for you. Surprised until I read the part of how you are seeking to strengthen relationships with people you may never meet&#8230; I would say you excel at that.<br />
You and Sean are definitely ying and yang.</p>
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		<title>By: Writer Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Writer Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dad farts gloomy clouds.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Writer Dad’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://writerdad.com/marriage/finding-my-friday-again/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Finding My Friday Again&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dad farts gloomy clouds.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Writer Dad’s last blog post..<a href="http://writerdad.com/marriage/finding-my-friday-again/" rel="nofollow">Finding My Friday Again</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: The Marocharim Experiment &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;Secrets&#8221; to &#8220;Good Writing&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Marocharim Experiment &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;Secrets&#8221; to &#8220;Good Writing&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8211; Inspired by The Reality of the Tortured Writer and The Myth of the Tortured Writer from the Collective [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Blogger Dad/David Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogger Dad/David Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Icy - I hear you on &quot;what if nobody likes it&quot; thing. While I have a good idea of what works mechanically, you can never really know with certainty what readers will respond to.

janice - Thanks for the kind words. Yes, Sean and I do compliment each other well personally and professionally. As for birth charts, I have no idea what you&#039;re talking about. I am a Leo but I don&#039;t believe in astrological stuff. If anyone cares to know why, perhaps I&#039;ll write an essay on belief someday.

Lori - You talking about Sean being skinny and me being fat? 

Bonnie - Thank you for sharing your story. Journalistic writing is a whole other beast, in my opinion than fiction writing. I did not get nearly as bent out of shape or antisocial when I wrote for the paper. Quite the opposite, actually! I was extremely social as a reporter - it was a requirement. Though there are plenty of other reasons journalism can make you miserable! As for the shackles, I agree. When I was younger I wanted to go into drama but somebody prevented me from doing so and to this day, I think drama would have helped me develop more fully.

Anne Wayman - I hear you on boredom. I oftentimes had to write things which I felt were boring but I took each article as if I were writing it for the first time and finding a new reader and hoping it delivered the goods. While there isn&#039;t much you can do to challenge the newness of a project, you can always challenge yourself to do better, to write it more precisely, etc... Thanks for weighing in and glad you like our slogan!

CK Lunchbox - Great comment, Ron. I am there with you for every word you said. One of the things which bothers me most about isolating myself for my art (and here I am also including my comics) is that I don&#039;t have nearly enough time to network properly on the blogs I enjoy or even keep up with them! I once commented that I can either comment more or create more. While readers may enjoy interacting with an actual person, I think they also enjoy the content. The balance is VERY difficult because of the number of things I&#039;m  working on. If only one thing would take off like I want it to, it would liberate my time and allow me to properly enjoy the community I am part of. But yes, I worry that people think I&#039;m a snob or selfish for not commenting on their blogs as much as they do mine. 

As for your book, best of luck!

Vered - Writing for the web, and your writing in particular is neither short nor shallow. Though I suspect you were teasing.

Tumblemoose - Then may I suggest you find a good partner? Someone who is more creatively inclined, but maybe lacks the grammar chops that you possess, could be a good mix.

Amrit - Thank you for posting a response. Well said, though your advice does little to soothe my tortured writing soul. I can write other topics with ease, I wrote every day for a newspaper for three years - the torture was not prsent for that kind of writing. It is only for the fiction with me. And while it may be overblown and in my head, that doesn&#039;t make it any less real or easier to move past.

The Word Seeker - I hope your writing delivers you from the misery. Thank you for the comment.

Sean - This might be the first time we have disagreed on a matter, which yes, does make for an interesting post, you sunshine farting Care Bear, you.

Frank - I agree, you don&#039;t HAVE to be tortured. I think it varies from person to person and whatever works for you, definitely embrace it.

Marelisa - I agree. And for me, the writing experience is different depending on the work, as I explained above. Thanks for sharing the story.

cindy - I am tortured by Sean&#039;s ability to outeat me yet remain skinny. The bastard. Also, I would like to fart gloomy clouds :)

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Blogger Dad/David Wright’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/BloggerDad/~3/z_yv6BpiejE/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dumb things I do - A list&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Icy &#8211; I hear you on &#8220;what if nobody likes it&#8221; thing. While I have a good idea of what works mechanically, you can never really know with certainty what readers will respond to.</p>
<p>janice &#8211; Thanks for the kind words. Yes, Sean and I do compliment each other well personally and professionally. As for birth charts, I have no idea what you&#8217;re talking about. I am a Leo but I don&#8217;t believe in astrological stuff. If anyone cares to know why, perhaps I&#8217;ll write an essay on belief someday.</p>
<p>Lori &#8211; You talking about Sean being skinny and me being fat? </p>
<p>Bonnie &#8211; Thank you for sharing your story. Journalistic writing is a whole other beast, in my opinion than fiction writing. I did not get nearly as bent out of shape or antisocial when I wrote for the paper. Quite the opposite, actually! I was extremely social as a reporter &#8211; it was a requirement. Though there are plenty of other reasons journalism can make you miserable! As for the shackles, I agree. When I was younger I wanted to go into drama but somebody prevented me from doing so and to this day, I think drama would have helped me develop more fully.</p>
<p>Anne Wayman &#8211; I hear you on boredom. I oftentimes had to write things which I felt were boring but I took each article as if I were writing it for the first time and finding a new reader and hoping it delivered the goods. While there isn&#8217;t much you can do to challenge the newness of a project, you can always challenge yourself to do better, to write it more precisely, etc&#8230; Thanks for weighing in and glad you like our slogan!</p>
<p>CK Lunchbox &#8211; Great comment, Ron. I am there with you for every word you said. One of the things which bothers me most about isolating myself for my art (and here I am also including my comics) is that I don&#8217;t have nearly enough time to network properly on the blogs I enjoy or even keep up with them! I once commented that I can either comment more or create more. While readers may enjoy interacting with an actual person, I think they also enjoy the content. The balance is VERY difficult because of the number of things I&#8217;m  working on. If only one thing would take off like I want it to, it would liberate my time and allow me to properly enjoy the community I am part of. But yes, I worry that people think I&#8217;m a snob or selfish for not commenting on their blogs as much as they do mine. </p>
<p>As for your book, best of luck!</p>
<p>Vered &#8211; Writing for the web, and your writing in particular is neither short nor shallow. Though I suspect you were teasing.</p>
<p>Tumblemoose &#8211; Then may I suggest you find a good partner? Someone who is more creatively inclined, but maybe lacks the grammar chops that you possess, could be a good mix.</p>
<p>Amrit &#8211; Thank you for posting a response. Well said, though your advice does little to soothe my tortured writing soul. I can write other topics with ease, I wrote every day for a newspaper for three years &#8211; the torture was not prsent for that kind of writing. It is only for the fiction with me. And while it may be overblown and in my head, that doesn&#8217;t make it any less real or easier to move past.</p>
<p>The Word Seeker &#8211; I hope your writing delivers you from the misery. Thank you for the comment.</p>
<p>Sean &#8211; This might be the first time we have disagreed on a matter, which yes, does make for an interesting post, you sunshine farting Care Bear, you.</p>
<p>Frank &#8211; I agree, you don&#8217;t HAVE to be tortured. I think it varies from person to person and whatever works for you, definitely embrace it.</p>
<p>Marelisa &#8211; I agree. And for me, the writing experience is different depending on the work, as I explained above. Thanks for sharing the story.</p>
<p>cindy &#8211; I am tortured by Sean&#8217;s ability to outeat me yet remain skinny. The bastard. Also, I would like to fart gloomy clouds <img src='http://collectiveinkwell.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><abbr><em>Blogger Dad/David Wright’s last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/BloggerDad/~3/z_yv6BpiejE/" rel="nofollow">Dumb things I do &#8211; A list</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: cindy platt</title>
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		<dc:creator>cindy platt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 05:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am tortured by watching Sean skip rope with words and juggle them like it&#039;s as easy as breathing.  I am tortured when I walk a mile in the shoes of  my students ages 5-11 trying desperately to put their ideas on paper.  It is a performing art that is not easy for most and requires lots of coaching and modeling when working with children or adults.  I can connect with your words Dave.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;cindy platt’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NamasDaisy/~3/HgaCf97WGiU/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Top 10 Thank Yous for our Best Dad&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am tortured by watching Sean skip rope with words and juggle them like it&#8217;s as easy as breathing.  I am tortured when I walk a mile in the shoes of  my students ages 5-11 trying desperately to put their ideas on paper.  It is a performing art that is not easy for most and requires lots of coaching and modeling when working with children or adults.  I can connect with your words Dave.</p>
<p><abbr><em>cindy platt’s last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NamasDaisy/~3/HgaCf97WGiU/" rel="nofollow">Top 10 Thank Yous for our Best Dad</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Marelisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marelisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A short while ago I read an article where a novelist was describing a talk he gave in which the other speaker was a lawyer who wrote short stories in his spare time.  The novelist would say &quot;Writing is hard work&quot;, and the lawyer would say &quot;Writing is the easiest part of my day&quot;.  The novelist would say that coming up with each word was like sweating blood, and the lawyer would say that the words just flowed. 

I guess the moral of the story is that the writing experience is different for everyone.  I really liked both of these articles, it was a really good idea to write about the two contrasting points of view.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Marelisa’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://abundance-blog.marelisa-online.com/2009/07/01/happiness-tip-practice-random-acts-of-kindness/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Happiness Tip: Practice Random Acts of Kindness&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A short while ago I read an article where a novelist was describing a talk he gave in which the other speaker was a lawyer who wrote short stories in his spare time.  The novelist would say &#8220;Writing is hard work&#8221;, and the lawyer would say &#8220;Writing is the easiest part of my day&#8221;.  The novelist would say that coming up with each word was like sweating blood, and the lawyer would say that the words just flowed. </p>
<p>I guess the moral of the story is that the writing experience is different for everyone.  I really liked both of these articles, it was a really good idea to write about the two contrasting points of view.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Marelisa’s last blog post..<a href="http://abundance-blog.marelisa-online.com/2009/07/01/happiness-tip-practice-random-acts-of-kindness/" rel="nofollow">Happiness Tip: Practice Random Acts of Kindness</a></em></abbr></p>
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